Monday, March 24, 2014

How Big Is That Niche Anyway?

Sometimes I justify having endless variations on a particular shade (like taupe) by saying that the finish or the tonal differences are distinct enough to keep them all.  This also helps make room for any new brands I like to squeeze into my taupe hoard.  Also when all the makeup I own got to be a certain size, it seemed that I needed to do some mental gymnastics to make reasons to keep everything.  I tend to purge on a regular basis, but I also tend to go through periods when I get particularly obsessed with something specific - like bright pink lipsticks, a perfect lilac nail polish.  And then while I was doing the Suqqu Mitsucha post over the weekend, I was hearing some alarm bells dinging.  I was originally musing that Tom Ford Cognac Sable and Mitsucha were if not dupes, awfully similar.
Looking at the palettes a bit closer, they are definitely not dupes.  There some definite similarities in tones, but both the finish and actual color to color comparisons show they are not the same.
Both are warm palettes for sure.  Cognac Sable even more so and even more pigmented than Mitsucha. The dark cool brown in Cognac Sable was stuck in my faulty memory as a cool deep matte shade, but it actually is generally satin with some distinct shimmer bits.  Mitsucha is slightly cooler in comparison, has an overall golden cast, while Cognac Sable rings more copper.  I do quite love the yellow gold of Mitsucha.  That is definitely something I don't own in any of my other eye shadow shades.

Here's a look at the different finishes of the two palettes.
The coppery glitter shade nearest to us has some serious serious bling.  Mitsucha overall is a more sedate quad.

So having had a closer look at the two, I seem to be making the mental argument that these are both worthy keepers.  Right?  For those with largish makeup collections, do you sometimes feel like when products are applied, they seem awfully similar?  Either I am feeling particularly like purging stuff, or I am at a point where I want some really BIG distinctions among my products.  Does Cognac Sable and Mitsucha feel different enough?  These are philosophical questions of the deepest, most though-provoking kind. I know.  I've blown my own mind.

Is there some kind of a formula that calculates that question and comes to an answer that says to keep or  get rid of something?

I always was terrible at math.

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  1. These are two different presentations, one bold and the other elegantly ladylike, so in my mind, both are keepers!

    As for your query, what so far has worked for me (so far) in deciding what to keep is to have a Yaby palette for each of the following colors: brown, peach, blue, green, purple, pink, gray, all matte (mostly RBR) and two miscellaneous/questionables and I depot most of my eyeshadows in them. So far, I have 2-3 Suqqu in each plus others such as full palettes, partials, and singles. Has made it easy to ditch dupes, patchy, or unflattering colors and to mix and match. Saves space and time. For example, as Mitshucha does not have a matte anchor, I would just dip into Matsukasa or other pans for that from my brown palette. Sometimes there are ambiguous palettes and I move them from palette to palette until suddenly, maybe, there is an "aha!" moment as it fits in...or not. And stuff from miscellaneous/questionables wander in and out if they complement one palette or another. After a while unused stuff starts looking pretty ugly or obvious and is ready for repotting and giveaway.

    Thanks for your posts, am lemming the lovely gold in this palette! The gold in Ginbudou is too light for me. Will see how long my resolve lasts...would have to edit my brown palette as it is currently full! Or maybe add another empty Yaby palette? Ha, ha!

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    1. oy oy oy! You depot by color! GASP! Don't you see, my utter lack of color coordination and creativity would completely prevent any cohesive pairing (or is it quadring?!) of eye shadow colors! I would be reduced to a brown-brown-brown-light brown look. Although this totally makes me want to use the dark Matsukasa brown with the brown-brown-gold in Mitsucha!

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      Add another palette. For more brown. :)

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    2. Oops! I think I was not clear and you are probably thinking each Yaby palette is full of one color only. Yikes, I would go totally nuts if that were the case!

      I do not split Suqqu palettes up, they are kept together as I am not good at color coordination either, hence my preference for palettes. Suqqu palettes usually have a predominant shade, often the upper right or lower left, and so palettes with let's say, green as the predominant shade are just housed together with other green palettes so I can manage my collection. But sometimes I like to add complementary colors to modify (mattify or amp up) the "Suqqu look" which I think of as elegant shimmer. Most pans that I add are medium toned mattes or brights which are totally missing from Suqqu palettes. Some pans are pulled from other palettes I don't care for except for the one or two great shades..yeah, I've gotten over cannibalizing palettes and dumping colors that don't work. I've also added other complete palettes I like from other brands, but Suqqu is my fav and makes up the core.

      Anyway, sorry for the lengthy comment, just didn't want to sound like a nut case...or maybe I've just succeeded in making myself sound more like one!

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    3. Hahaha! Hey, we makeup lovers are generally some level of nutcase anyway, so peace! You are in good company commenting here. :) Ok, what you do makes complete sense to me, but so did owning two palettes full of depotted brown shades.

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  2. Sorry my dear, but to my eye one is cool toned and the other is warmed toned... In fact, I wouldn't keep TF$ Cognac Sable because those super warm shades look really bad on me (I guess that's why I don't own it, right?). I do tend to get similar shades, not only taupes but pink based neutrals -they work way better on me than beige neutrals. Purging is so difficult for me, it usually ends up as RAOKs to mom, which I usually regret later lol

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    1. I kind of enjoy getting rid of things! :PP
      I think you have a really good sense of things that work for you, Anne! Been loving all your recent looks and experimentations.

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  3. I have no answers, I'm afraid, as I seem to acquire many versions of the same palette :/
    I do think that these two are different enough in tone and texture to justify owning both.
    On an unrelated note, how are you finding the Mandom Barrier Repair serum? I've been using it for a few years and find it ok, but I'm thinking there's gotta be something better (though not wanting to spend too much).

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    1. I've only been using the serum a few days really now and so far, out of all the products, that seems to be the super star. But it seems that it's really good for hydration purposes, but doesn't seem to have any properties for brightening/skin turnover/super anti-aging claims. I wonder if adding a product with more vitamin C, or rosehip oil or something would have more benefits for you? I'm hoping with my rx retin A stuff (for skin turnover, etc) plus good moisturizing (a la Mandom) would be enough. That's my hope.

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  4. If there's such formula, all of us would be saved! I agree w/ Anne above, I'd ditch TF. I think Mitsucha's shimmer is more refined, not as chunky. Honestly, I think something really warm like TF CS will look amazing on blue eyes, something that needs a sharp color contrast in order to "show up." I also think that Mitsucha is more neutral so will work with a variety of other shadows that you may have.

    With that aside, I was at the point where I buy dupes and dupes of similar quad/variation of colors. Now, I chuck one when I found a better one (one in one out), or I didn't buy it all together. I think also it is a matter of preference: if you like bling2x then TF is your friend or if you have a niche (read: need, occasion, etc.) for bling2x shadows, then definitely keep the TF, otherwise, I think Mitsucha will perform just fine for your intended use.

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    1. I saw a tutorial CT did with CS on someone with green eyes. The contrast was incredible for the very smokey look. When I wear CS extra smokey, it looks very dramatic minus any contrast. Which is nice. But truthfully, I don't wear such dramatic looks very often and when I wear CS in a more sedate manner, it look much like Mitsucha. Hmmmm.... Much good brain food, Claire.

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  5. Its funny, because I find that I tend to worry that colours are too close to warrant owning both and then when I swatch them side by side, I realise that they're not even that close. I've had a couple of experiences where I ended up with near twins, but despite what we might think, there are a lot of variations of colour out there, more than we could ever imagine. The real question for me is: Must I own them all?

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    1. I have horrible faulty memory, Kate. I either think a thing I buy is nothing like anything else I own (dangerous bc I am always drawn to the same thing all the time) or think things are dupes when they are not.

      I have another question for us: do we want a collection full of nuance (Mitsucha & Cognac Sable) or distinctions? I dunnoooo! I want alf of them!!!!

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  6. These look fairly different to me - but I definitely tend to keep too many similar palettes, so I'm not really one to give advice . . . i have more of a KEEP ALL THE THINGS! mentality.

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    1. EMI! :) You are so not helpful AT ALL!

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  7. They're in the same family, but definitely not dupes. Would make for a great palette together perhaps.

    I guess also, it might be a case of "in with new bling out with old bluh". Brands keep coming out with new shiny things, and invariably there will be something that makes you think twice about old favs/keepers.

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    1. So true, noodlies. There are old old faves that no longer look as favorable compared to newer products. 1) because I always love the new 2) because product innovation makes newer formulations superior (or so I tell myself)

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  8. Hmm... they really don't feel the same to me at all... i think it has to do with the cool deep plummy brown in Cognac Sable that makes it stand out. But Mitsucha does feel very familiar to me... Regardless, if the question is which to keep, i'd say both!! It's like apples and pears, both round fruits... but compeletely different!

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    1. "Round fruits" you say? WAHHHHH! You make me want to buy all the coppery things!

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  9. I would definitely keep both! I myself would go for SUQQU since it looks way more cooler and I loooove those. :)

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    1. Suqqu textures are some of my very favorites! :)

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  10. I always think that palettes don't just sell colours; they sell a colour story, an aesthetic, a mood. TF's Cognac Sable is a completely different feel and mood from SUQQU's Mitsucha. Their individual niche may not be colour, but rather occasion.

    Regardless of how similar a few of the eyeshadows are (in terms of colour family), there's always that one shade that gives just enough distinction, like the copper shade in CS or the delicate yellow gold in Mitsucha.

    Ah, I love deep philosophical musings about makeup. <3 Now, if only there was a niche career in that. I would be very happy.

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    1. Lisa, not that you're a makeup sales person, but I lurve how you wax poetic about it! I would buy all the palettes from you. :) They do have a very different mood about them. I should be drunk with smeared mascara wearing the TF. Mitsucha, for sure, I'm doing something super elegant or something. I don't know what that would be. *not very elegant at all*

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    2. elegantly licking fried chicken breadcrumbs off your perfectly manicured fingers?

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    3. Whilst sipping an elegant frosty beer, releasing a most dainty burp.

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  11. One is Suqqu and the other Tom Ford. That is the only distinction you need my dear. No matter how similar, both are keepers!

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    1. Hmmm. Most curious. The voice in my head has a name and it is Kristen Geng!

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  12. I've found that even if something swatches very differently on my hand, once it's on my eyes, the effect is the same. So I go by formula and which subtle difference works best.

    However, having said that: Your niche can be as big or small as you want it to be! (Yeah, I suck at math, too.)

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    1. Math! I much prefer expository writing. With lots of words. Essays of explanations. Poetry of manic makeup love.

      Is true. Not ALLL that different on the eyes. :( Why you no help me?

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  13. I love a gladiator-style death match between two worthy opponents! Huzzah! From the perspective of a savage spectator, Suqqu is the stronger contender. Mitsucha holds kisses of a morning sun and a golden pan that kicks ass. Evidence of such claims show in your previous post, where you are positively glowing from Mitsucha. :) Cognac Sable, on the other hand, seems grouchy. Imagine a hungry cookie monster. >:C Blarlrllrgh.

    Delirious blood-seeking aside, makeup products must go through three rigorous elimination stages before they can join my stash. Success of the process depends on full rigor and vigilance because magpie tendencies flare up at a moment's notice...at least for me. From lax to strict, the stages zero in on the goal of utility and space conservation: 1) Does this product fit in my 18"w x14"d lacquer tray? 2) Will I use this product when I travel? 3) Can the opposite sex, usually blind to color variations, tell the difference between face paints? The test is ruthless since storage real-estate is precieux!

    How did I become such a space tyrant? Why do I wage a war on fun? I used to own a large collection of Le Metier de Beaute kaleidoscopes and By Terry lipsticks until one day, I realized they owned me.

    - Josie






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    1. 18' x 14"?!?! Josie, is this for every thing you own? I am assuming you are piling up products up to the ceiling in an impressing balancing act. No? No? No???? Since moving to a larger space with all sorts of nooks & crannies, my makeup collection seems to want to constantly explode out of control.
      Speaking of your criteria question, I used to torture my husband after getting a fresh manicure and asking what he thought of the color. He'd always say, "Uh, pink?" Now when he sees me doing my nails, he breaks out into a cold sweat and proactively offers up "Pink?" I don't often wear pink so I don't know WHAT HIS PROBLEM IS! More whip! More better answers from my husband!

      I'm trying to give cookie some more action, but is too lazy to either put on nor purge. >:(

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  14. So there with you - i always ask myself: are these bloody shades X Y and Z THAT different? Apparently they aren't that different, but they all end up in my stash/wallet anyway...lolz

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    1. :) it causes me mental noise to have too many similar-ish products. Too much stuff in my teh brains! Argle!

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  15. No, no, no, they're all different and special butterflies. That's why I need them all. And more of them. Always. (Don't take away my excuse!! [But, yeah, I relate.])

    Shani x
    She Dreams in Perfect French

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    1. Yes! Yes! You need all and then some more of them. Exactly!

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  16. I ended up purchasing two similar quads on the SAME trip last year, but I also ended up keeping both of them. They were different enough, especially when it comes to layering, for me to have rationalized keeping them, almost guiltlessly. While I know I have a lot of makeup already, there are certain differences in the different shades and products that I tend to well, geek out about, as I'm sure you understand. I think it's alright. :) In the long run, these are going to give you different enough looks that maybe everyone but you will overlook, and that's alright because at the end of it, we wear makeup for ourselves anyway. :)

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  18. I was drooling over Cognac Sable then remembered I own it. It's just since purchasing other eyeshadows in the taupe category, I've kind of neglected it even though it's my fave palette. I reached for it often. I'm just in a taupey cool toned orchid haze phase. I really would like to know how Suqqu quads compare pigmentation wise, etc. I've been eyeing them but I cannot find any swatches on someone who is dark skinned and I cannot splurge on a brand I am not quite sure of.

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